Camera mounting ideas for Sony EVI-D70

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Postby blmorty » Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:17 pm

This is a great inexpensive idea. We are looking into this as well for our Stake enter. One question though, how did you get around the building code? If I'm not mistaken, you cannot install any electrical (motor or outlets) in an attic space. It presents a fire hazard. Wouldn't you need to build a fire rated enclosure around the motor and outlet?

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Postby harddrive » Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:56 pm

blmorty wrote:This is a great inexpensive idea. We are looking into this as well for our Stake enter. One question though, how did you get around the building code? If I'm not mistaken, you cannot install any electrical (motor or outlets) in an attic space. It presents a fire hazard. Wouldn't you need to build a fire rated enclosure around the motor and outlet?


I thought about the same thing and put it to our A/V specialist who takes care of our equipment. He said that having a camera drop out of the ceiling is no longer approved. It is a safety issue and maintenance cost.

So it looks like I need to find a new way of mounting the camera permanently.

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Postby jwabraham » Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:48 am

I talked by our FM group manager about this camera mounting method. He had 2 problems with it. 1) The design has not been approved and anything suspended could cause injury if there is a design flaw because it was not engineered correctly. 2) Once you have opened the ceiling you have penetrated the fire rating of that ceiling and this has not been approved as well.

In our stake the older buildings have no building sprinklers and no electrical motors are installed in the attic. Access to the attic is via step ladders to access doors. Once inside, there are no lights and multiple places were one have to crawl over and under the duct work. This is where I would be installing our camera.

The newer buildings in our stake have sprinklers in the building and the attic. The heating and air conditioning motors are installed in the attic. The attic spaces have lights with a built-in stairway (no ladders). Once in the attic, one can access all spaces without any crawling. It might not be against the code to install a motor in this type of attic (since there are already some there) however, there would still be the penetration of the ceiling fire rating that would have to be addressed.

I have asked the Stake President to send a request for an exemption up his channels to see if we could get architectural and engineering approval.

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Postby michaelfish » Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:46 am

That's great information and I hope you can find solutions.

Another stake in my area had a drop down projectors installed in their cultural hall, but the work was done by an outside contractor. The labor and retracting unit was purchased at retail price so it was very expensive.

Excessive costs to implement the retractable camera may squash your project. To keep costs down, I would suggest consulting with a building contractor in your area (stake) to overcome these issues and find out if there are any other concerns. Then submit those solutions along with your design proposal. You may be able to recruit qualified people with expertise in these areas from your stake to help and possibly donate labor/materials. Your stake president also may have some pull with the FM group, so be sure and keep him in the loop. This is a great idea and you may have to do all the legwork yourself. If you can find solutions to the objections, you should be able to go forward get this installed.

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plenum rated equipment

Postby kh_design » Mon May 02, 2011 5:54 am

Very clever, nifty and interesting. I work in an industry we commend clever and fascinating design solutions. This being said, we also have a very serious responsibility to maintain safe buildings where many hundreds of people congregate together.

As has already been conveyed in previous posts all equipment in attic spaces must be plenum rated equipment. All motors, wires, cables, and equipment must be plenum rated. The power wires, and all wires and cables that connect to the equipment and camera must also be plenum rated and all other equipment related to the install in the attic space must be plenum rated. A rated separation must be maintained to the public space. Following building codes and not going around them.

This is also a related issue for those who self install internet connections in church buildings. All cables, wires and equipment in attic spaces must be plenum rated. This would be CAT5, CAT5e, CAT6 or other twisted pair bundles and all connections, equipment, power connections, transformers, and power wires must be plenum rated. If wireless equipment is installed in the attic space it must also be plenum rated equipment, including the power connections, transformers, and power wires must be plenum rated. We have a very serious responsibility to maintain safe buildings where many hundreds of people congregate together.

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Postby Aczlan » Mon May 02, 2011 6:30 am

kh_design wrote:As has already been conveyed in previous posts all equipment in attic spaces must be plenum rated equipment. All motors, wires, cables, and equipment must be plenum rated. The power wires, and all wires and cables that connect to the equipment and camera must also be plenum rated and all other equipment related to the install in the attic space must be plenum rated. A rated separation must be maintained to the public space. Following building codes and not going around them.

This is also a related issue for those who self install internet connections in church buildings. All cables, wires and equipment in attic spaces must be plenum rated. This would be CAT5, CAT5e, CAT6 or other twisted pair bundles and all connections, equipment, power connections, transformers, and power wires must be plenum rated. If wireless equipment is installed in the attic space it must also be plenum rated equipment, including the power connections, transformers, and power wires must be plenum rated. We have a very serious responsibility to maintain safe buildings where many hundreds of people congregate together.


Not quite. The cables must be plenum rated ONLY if that space is being used as a plenum (as seen at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plenum_cable). Our stake center (where I will be pulling wire next weekend) is like the blue illustration in the above link and when I asked if plenum cable was required, I was told by FM that it was not plenum space, so plenum cable will not be required.

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Postby jdlessley » Mon May 02, 2011 8:38 am

In the US local building codes may vary. It is the responsibility of a builder or renovator to comply with local code. Local authority may model the National Building Code or there may be a local proprietary code. The local FM office will be aware of the local codes. Any building modifications to Church properties should be coordinated/approved by the FM office for this and other reasons.
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Postby lajackson » Mon May 02, 2011 2:18 pm

Aczlan wrote:Not quite. The cables must be plenum rated ONLY if that space is being used as a plenum.


Local code in some areas differs. As jdlessley says, check with your FM group. In our location it is required by the city code.

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Mounting options

Postby walkerja » Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:00 pm

You can also mount the camera to a bracket installed on the rear of the BB Standard. This option is not always available if you have a project screen that drops down behind the BB Standard. Some of the newer buildings have the projection screens mounted in the corners of the CH. There are scissor lift devices that extend down 4 to 18 feet, but they are on the expensive side, and it's very unlikely the FM Group would agree to allowing it to be installed. But just a thought anyway.

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Postby pete.arnett » Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:15 am

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