That appears to be correct for CDE. I checked a few recent convert baptisms and one did have the Elders' (I'm guessing) names and no mrns, but even there the rest of the family didn't even have that.eblood66 wrote:But I'm pretty sure CDE and MLS still don't transfer that information so any baptisms recorded there (which include any baptism which requires a new record) won't have that information (unless it's added in LCR afterwards).jonesrk wrote:Yesrussellhltn wrote: MLS would record it - but it wasn't recorded in the backend, so it was lost when the record was transferred to a new unit. So are you saying the church has gone back to holding it in the member's record?
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There's another reason to carefully look at new covert records - in the case of convert families, the mission will create the records for the members but apparently doesn't create "child of record" for family members under the age of 8.drepouille wrote:Now that I know all this, I will pay particular attention to convert baptisms and new convert membership records in the future.
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Curious. As I understand it, it was originally eliminated because there was no "business requirement" for it. (Never referenced in any business rules.) The vestiges were only to fill out the certificates. (Why the certificates were never changed to drop that information, I have no idea. Perhaps as a means of detecting falsified documents?)jonesrk wrote:Yesrussellhltn wrote:MLS would record it - but it wasn't recorded in the backend, so it was lost when the record was transferred to a new unit. So are you saying the church has gone back to holding it in the member's record?jonesrk wrote:It is recorded now for baptisms and confirmations (I only tested it via LCR non-production).
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It used to store that information locally in MLS. But with LCR there is no 'local' storage anymore so it would have to be stored at CHQ. Probably easiest just to retain it in the membership record.russellhltn wrote:Curious. As I understand it, it was originally eliminated because there was no "business requirement" for it. (Never referenced in any business rules.) The vestiges were only to fill out the certificates. (Why the certificates were never changed to drop that information, I have no idea. Perhaps as a means of detecting falsified documents?)
So unless they did remove the names from the certificate it makes sense that they are storing who performed the ordinances again.
As for why the certificate still has the names, it may just be to satisfy people's desire to have their own official record and that's something people like to remember even if it isn't necessary for church purposes.
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That's a good thought – keeping a record of who it was could be used as a check for falsified certificates if the need arose.russellhltn wrote:Curious. As I understand it, it was originally eliminated because there was no "business requirement" for it. (Never referenced in any business rules.) The vestiges were only to fill out the certificates. (Why the certificates were never changed to drop that information, I have no idea. Perhaps as a means of detecting falsified documents?)jonesrk wrote:Yesrussellhltn wrote:[quote ="jonesrk"][quote ="russellhltn"][quote ="drepouille"]The mission office tells me that Convert Data Entry (CDE) does not ask for the names, MRNs, or birthdates of the persons performing the baptism and confirmation.[/ quote]
As far as I'm aware, the church doesn't record the "by who" for ordinances other than priesthood ordinations.[/ quote]
It is recorded now for baptisms and confirmations (I only tested it via LCR non-production).[/ quote]
MLS would record it - but it wasn't recorded in the backend, so it was lost when the record was transferred to a new unit. So are you saying the church has gone back to holding it in the member's record?
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When I go to print the Baptism and Confirmation record for the certificate it is printing in Spanish and we are an English speaking Branch. How do I correct this? Other reports are in English.
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We had the same problem last week, but it was printing in Portuguese. But the problem has rectified itself this week. I would suggest trying again.saguaro1 wrote:When I go to print the Baptism and Confirmation record for the certificate it is printing in Spanish and we are an English speaking Branch. How do I correct this? Other reports are in English.
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And without CDE and LCR talking wards cannot print baptism certificates with the person who did the baptism and confirmation if that person was a full-time missionary. Or at least it is difficult. They need MRN or DOB to enter that into LCR and print the certificate.eblood66 wrote:But I'm pretty sure CDE and MLS still don't transfer that information so any baptisms recorded there (which include any baptism which requires a new record) won't have that information (unless it's added in LCR afterwards).jonesrk wrote:Yesrussellhltn wrote: MLS would record it - but it wasn't recorded in the backend, so it was lost when the record was transferred to a new unit. So are you saying the church has gone back to holding it in the member's record?
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Welcome to the forum!saguaro1 wrote:When I go to print the Baptism and Confirmation record for the certificate it is printing in Spanish and we are an English speaking Branch. How do I correct this? Other reports are in English.
Q: Are you printing the certificate from lds.org (website) or from MLS (program on clerk computer)?
First, make sure you have selected the correct language:
To change the language on lds.org:
- click the world icon in the top right
- click the current language,
- click on the desired language
- Log out of MLS
- On the login screen, click the current language in the bottom right
- Select the desired language
If this doesn't resolve it, I recommend you contact your Stake Clerk.
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