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Meta-template

If this template is intended to be used as a base template, then you could include a parameter for the product name. Alternatively rather than the multi-step copy-paste method, I would suggested that user are informed how to substitute the template. If needs require you could even use both methods combined, although I would recommend turning this into a meta-template so that future changes can be made here and be replicated in the wiki where the meta-template is used. --Steve 16:20, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Great suggestion! I actually thought about using parameters for the product name, but I don't know how to set it up and still allow for the flexibility we want for the middle sections. For example, see the following templates, which all fall within the guidelines we are setting up with this base template: Template:Meetinghouse Webcast, Template:Satellite services, Template:Interactive Communications, Template:Meetinghouse Technologies. I am not familiar with substitution. It does seem that a meta-template would be best, I just don't know how to provide enough flexibility. Any help would be appreciated. - Ken 20:40, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I have change the reference to (Product) previously used in this template into a parameter. As an example of how this works I have changed Template:Satellite services to use this meta-template. --Steve 12:15, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Grouping

User:Aebrown changed this template today to "remove extra line". It appears that the perceived extra line was the line break between the first two groups of links. Now, the first 8 links are all in one section, and it doesn't have the same segmented and organized appearance.

I would suggest two other possible solutions:

1. Put the line break back in, and add section headers of Documentation (for Policy, Benefits, Requirements and Availability, and Help for Get Started, Get Training, Get answers and Get insights.

2. Create two columns in the one section, with the four documentation links on the left and the 4 help links on the right.

Reactions? - Ken 19:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

I started to reply to this message with a sense of disbelief that anyone could think my edit was misplaced. But then I realized that we might have a browser issue, and indeed that is the case. I imagine Internet Explorer users have a sense of disbelief that I could possibly think that my edit was at all helpful!
Here's what happened: Steve Cottrell added the {{Columns-list}} template to the {{Meetinghouse base}} template. For Firefox and various WebKit-based browsers, this has the effect of putting the first four items in a column and the second four in a second column. It looks great, except that the extra separator line was tucked down into the bottom of the first column and definitely looked like it didn't belong. That's why I deleted it. For Internet Explorer, on the other hand, the {{Columns-list}} template has no effect, so the first 8 items are still in a single column, and the separator between the first 4 and second 4 items definitely is needed.
So to fix this, I think we would need to manually put in the columns to separate the two groups of 4 (using standard MediaWiki table syntax) so that the separator line is no longer needed. I definitely like the look of the two columns, and I don't think we need extra section headers as proposed in option 1. We just need to make option 2 work for IE (it is already working fine for Firefox/Safari/Chrome). -- 23:05, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Now it makes sense. I looked at it in Firefox, and it does indeed look good. I don't know how to make the changes suggested above to resolve the issue in IE - maybe Steve could do it, since he set this up for columns to begin with? Otherwise, I think we need to change it back to non-column format for now. - Ken 00:01, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I fixed the template to use standard MediaWiki syntax. It works a lot better now. I really wish "Get local insights" didn't wrap; it would look much better. To do that, we could eliminate the word "Get" and just make that one item "Local insights" -- that would eliminate the symmetry of having all 4 entries in the second column start with "Get", but that doesn't seem like a great loss to me -- it would still be quite clear. Another option is to make the box wide enough to eliminate the wrap. -- Aebrown 01:49, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Just so it's easier to visualize, I went ahead and changed the width from 235px to 252px. That eliminates the wrap. It's easy enough to undo the change if people think it's too wide now, but having the four rows line up is much more visually pleasing. I think it's worth the 17 pixels of width. -- Aebrown 01:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
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