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Links to specific broadcasts

I undid the recent changes by larsendl. My reasons:

  1. The table formatting was broken (but I could have fixed that)
  2. The useful links to the broadcast and to the broadcast instructions had been removed. There is no reason to remove useful information.
  3. I don't know what links are anticipated to be available on 5 Aug 2010, but the current broadcast instructions (available now) already include instructions for home viewing, meetinghouse viewing, and stake technology specialist instructions. Making a lot of individual links just seems to complicate this page needlessly. At some point we will have multiple broadcasts pending, and keeping the formatting simpler for each broadcast will improve readability.

-- Aebrown 20:50, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

As part of the Meetinghouse technology initiative, we are trying to encourage content owners to update their information directly on this wiki. larsendl is the content owner in AVD, and is learning the wiki - please be patient while this article is in "draft" mode. He has been told that he can test out different things while trying to figure out what is going to be the best way for his department to get the information to the Stake Technology Specialist that they want to provide for these broadcasts. We are in the process of changing what information will be available on LDS.org, and moving some of that to this wiki. His comment that the links would be updated by the 5th was just a note to let people know that this is in draft mode, and he is currently working on getting it updated. Once we settle on the best way to present the information, we will remove the "draft" tag, and then others can start making contributions/changes to the page. Our hope was that the "draft" tag would let people know that there is no need to make changes to this page until we have it completed. - Ken 21:40, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I think you have misunderstood the "draft" tag; if you examine the documentation for the {{Draft}} template, you'll see that it is for policy and guideline documents that are not yet approved. It is not intended for trying to stop people from working on documents that are under construction. Perhaps we need a new template for that purpose. -- Aebrown 22:31, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
There is now a {{Under construction}} template. I have replaced the incorrect {{Draft}} template with this new one. -- Aebrown 03:17, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Because larsendl is new to Wiki usage, and is experimenting with how best to show the information he would like to show, I have re-set the page to the way he had it. I am not sure he would know how to get his changes back, and I don't want him to have to do it over again. The reason that the link was changed is because the "How to view" document is being broken up into separate documents, and each will be posted here - they do not want a link to the full document from this page. I will be happy to work with him over the next few days to get this page updated, fix broken links, etc, as we encourage his participation as a wiki contributor. - Ken 21:48, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Ken, thanks for working with him on wiki usage. You might want to take a look at my first attempt at edits, since that creates a better table structure than what is there now. I backed out of that approach because I couldn't figure out how to go to a specific page in a PDF (even though a variation on my technique is supposed to work, but does not in this MediaWiki instance). However, that particular problem will become moot when there are separate documents for the three different views. -- Aebrown 22:31, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Link to fireside page

The page is shaping up nicely. I think it will be a very helpful resource. One thing it might be helpful to add: The name of the broadcast seems like a natural place to apply a link to the fireside page. For example, for the Sep 12 fireside, it would be CES Fireside for Young Adults. It seems like that would be helpful, since it provides the name and picture of the speaker, as well as a link to the CES Firesides page, which is a great resource for people to see archives of previous firesides. -- Aebrown 22:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the suggestion of the link to the broadcast page. I'll venture out and give it a try. "--Larsendl 17:32, 6 August 2010 (UTC)"
I just found out that the page for the specific broadcast is generally not posted to LDS.org until two or so weeks prior to the event. I can see that this will have to be very dynamic. "--Larsendl 18:06, 6 August 2010 (UTC)"
That "two weeks" you mentioned doesn't seem to match my experience. The page for Elder Scott speaking on Sept 12 has been up for at least a week (perhaps much longer), which would make it at least 6 weeks before the broadcast. The page for Elder Ballard speaking on November 7 is already there, a full three months in advance. Admittedly, these pages are short on details; they include only the speaker's name and photo, and the date and location of the fireside. But the pages do exist, and are helpful even with only that limited data. -- Aebrown 18:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I poked around for sometime on LDS.org and couldn't find a page for either the 9/12 or the 11/7 CES Firesides. I was going on what the producer said which must have been that perhaps not all the information is posted until a few weeks before. Beats me! Anyway, I traced your link back and found where the two pages were. I'm either slow or are the pages nested so deep that they are difficult to find. Perhaps it's just a matter of becoming more familiar with where everything is. Although, I've always thought that the broadcast information was not real easy to find. "--Larsendl 15:19, 9 August 2010 (UTC)"
I'll agree that the broadcast info is a bit buried. It seems that the intended path from lds.org is Gospel Library > Additional Addresses > CES Firesides. The subdomain cesfiresides.lds.org makes it super easy, but you have to know about that subdomain (and remember it) for that to be helpful. -- Aebrown 16:22, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Documents split too much

As a stake technology specialist, I can't say I'm a big fan of having the broadcast documents broken up into four pieces. That just complicates my life, and I fail to see the benefit. I can definitely see the value of splitting out the Home Viewing instructions -- that is for an entirely different audience, and the big document would be confusing for members who want to view the fireside in their homes.

But who is the audience for the remaining pieces of the document? It's the STS. With his information split into three pieces, he has to go to the broadcast notice to find out who is speaking, to the STS instructions for the equipment info and copyright notice, and finally to the meetinghouse instructions to find the specific times. That is needlessly tedious. Four links also take up more room in the table of broadcasts on this wiki page than two links would.

I would propose just two documents: one for members (which would include at least some of the information on the broadcast notice, since that is where you learn who is speaking, and then all of the current information in the Member View document), and another for STSs (which would include all of the information except the Member View information, although that could be useful, too -- members of my stake ask me broadcast details all the time, so I need to be on top of that information, too). -- Aebrown 22:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Four documents is an overkill. I like the idea of only having two, one for home viewers and the other for the STS as you suggest. I'm also an STS but haven't had to depend on the documents because I sit in the thick of things. Excellent suggestions! Thanks. "--Larsendl 17:36, 6 August 2010 (UTC)"
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