Talk:Roles and responsibilities (Directory)

More than one kind of administrator

jdcr256 has verified on the Directory forum that the ward website administrator does not have the same rights as other directory administrators (specifically they can only administer photos, not profile information). This should be clarified in this documentation. Johnsonth, are you open to community edits on these pages? -- Eric Blood 16:06, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

This content wouldn't have been moved to the wiki if it weren't open for reasonable edits. So go ahead and edit it if you'd like. In any case, thanks for bringing this up. -- Aebrown 06:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
That's kind of what I thought but I wasn't sure if there might be some other reason they were moved (temporarily perhaps). In any case, I've added clarification on that issue. However, I think it may still be misleading in another area. Alan, do you know if the Stake callings actually provide the ability to manage photos or edit information? Or do those roles just allow you to see members who have opt-ed out (and maybe youth in other wards)? -- Eric Blood 04:41, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Stake callings in the stake presidency or stake clerk (including assistants) do confer permission to edit profiles. People with such callings also have the ability to see members who have opted out, and also children in other other wards. But they do not have the ability to do anything with photos in any ward.
If website administrators don't have rights to edit profiles then do Stake Website Administrators get any special rights on the Directory at all? Can they view opt-out members or children in other wards? Do you know? -- Eric Blood 17:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Because of this, I don't think your recent change to the article to document a new role of "photo-only administrator" helps clarify the issue properly. I would prefer to have three roles: member, administrator, and profile editor (we could talk about the exact wording for this last role title). For the administrator role we would discuss the photo-related functions, and for the profile editor role we would discuss the profile-related functions. We would then note that some callings grant one of those roles and other callings grant both roles. -- Aebrown 12:55, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I agree. With yet another combination of rights for stake callings, what I added doesn't cover the real situation. And I agree that several roles (with multiple rights per calling in some cases) would be better (probably laid out in an 'access table' format). Profile editor sounds OK to me too. I'm not too sure about using administrator for just the photo-related features though. Maybe photo manager instead? But it sounds like there is another right as well: the right to see children in other wards. Ward level callings do not have special rights in this area. Like all members they can only see the children in their own ward but not in other wards. -- Eric Blood 17:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for noting the problems on this page. I wasn't aware of all the administrator role nuances, so I had to get some clarification. I updated the page to more accurately reflect the different types of administrators. Does my update make sense? I am hesitant to create a term such as "photo administrator" or "profile only administrator" if those terms aren't reflected in the directory interface anywhere. By the way, I'm glad to see you make direct changes to the page. The philosophy of the wiki is that through successive edits from many people, we get more accurate information. Feel free to make any additional edits that you see needed. By the way, would be interested in assessing all directory help information? It would really benefit from a rigorous review.--Tom Johnson 17:14, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
The update does make more sense (although Alan beat me to correcting the rights for the website administrator). I wanted your input before using new terms anyway and this looks good. I still have one concern though. Can you verify that the Stake Website Administrator calling does provide profile edit rights (unlike the ward and district callings)? -- Eric Blood 17:45, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
The recent changes are better, but the article is still not accurate in the area of stake administrators. As written, the article says that stake website administrators and stake/district building specialists can edit profiles. That is not true. Only stake presidency members and stake clerks (including assistants) can edit profiles. For the directory, I don't think a stake/district website administrator or building specialist has any special functions at all (they do for the calendar, but not the directory AFAIK). -- Aebrown 17:46, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
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