Talk:Church Directory of Organizations and Leaders
Why was the correct information about the old site deleted?
The original version of this page had the correct information about the old site:
Although the 18 December 2008 letter said that the old site was to be discontinued 31 December 2008, the site continues to function. It is located at http://col.ldschurch.org and uses the NetID credentials.
Why was this changed? Did someone simply trust the letter, without actually attempting to verify if the old site was still active? Because it most definitely is still active. I see no reason to put a false statement on the page, which is its current state. I imagine the Church would prefer to have people move to the new site, but if some authorized user doesn't yet have an LDS Account and wants to access the old site, I see no reason why they shouldn't do so.
If the intent is to encourage people to use the new site, then let's put a true statement to that effect. -- Aebrown 04:38, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
- The old information was taken out because the Church wants to direct priesthood leaders to the new CDOL. Although the old CDOL (col.ldschurch.org) is still being updated, the Church is no longer issuing permission keys and are in the process of removing some of the users so they will be directed to the new CDOL (cdol.lds.org). It is in transition. New users should be directed to the new website. The complete discontinuation of the old CDOL is targeted for the end of April 2009.
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- Thanks for the clarification. I surmised all this. I don't see any reason why we shouldn't be up front about this. We can indicate that no new permission keys are being issued and that any new users should use the new site. -- Aebrown 15:50, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
To wrap up this topic, I have noticed that the old site is not just deprecated -- it no longer functions. So I edited the article to focus on the current functionality and move references to the old site to a new Historical section. That seems to make it clearer, as the references to old capabilities were getting to be a bit confusing. -- Aebrown 19:32, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- Alan, I like the restructuring of the historical information! Rick 19:40, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Assistant Stake Clerk access to CDOL
I'm surprised by the removal of Alan's very recent addition to the list of leaders that have access to CDOL. I believe he's correct that Assistant Stake Clerks now indeed do have access. -- Mike Murray 19:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- It's been confirmed that Assistant Stake Clerks do not have access to CDOL. --Caleb 19:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- I suppose not unless special allowance is made at the request of the Stake President? Thanks for your response. -- Mike Murray 20:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- Assistant Stake Clerks are considered "Tier 2" positions, which means that they can be updated by MLS and are not verified by the CDOL team, so unless authorized by the Stake President, they will not have access. Thanks for keeping an eye on us! ;) --Caleb 20:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean by "It's been confirmed that Assistant Stake Clerks do not have access to CDOL." I have confirmed just the opposite. My stake president never made any specific provision for adding me (an assistant stake clerk) to CDOL. Yet shortly after I was added to MLS 3.0 as an assistant stake clerk, I both appeared in CDOL, and had access to CDOL. Previously I had no access to CDOL; shortly after the MLS 3.0 change, I had access. That seems like mighty good evidence that at least some assistant stake clerks do indeed have access to CDOL.
- If indeed my having access is some sort of glitch, and not the new standard procedure, I would then ask the obvious question implied by the statement "unless authorized by the Stake President, they will not have access." What is the mechanism for a stake president providing such authorization? My stake president doesn't know how to do it, and I don't know how to do it. -- Aebrown 03:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- We are currently looking into this. Thanks for the patience. --Caleb 15:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
It has come back from the CDOL team that the following have access to the Directory: Stake President, Counselors, Stake Executive Secretary, Stake Clerk, Stake Assistant Clerk (Finance, Membership, Technology Spec), District Presidents and Counselors, District Clerk, District Assistant Clerk (Finance, Membership, Technology Spec), District Executive Secretary, Bishops and Branch Presidents. This apparently changed with the implementation of MLS 3.0, and our team was not notified of the change until today. Thank you all for your patience. --Caleb 16:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Who can see callings?
In the 12:37pm 29 July 2009 revision, Calebpusey added the line to the features list:
- Ability to see all Standard Positions for units in the user's ward and stake
That doesn't match my experience, so I'm wondering why it was added. When I go into the CDOL, I can't see any Standard Positions for any ward in my stake or for the stake itself, with just a few exceptions: I can see the bishop of each ward, and at the stake level I can see the stake presidency, stake executive secretary, stake patriarch, and stake clerk and assistant clerks. But I can see that same level of information for every stake in the Church. There is no difference between what I can see for my ward or for any other ward in the Church -- just the bishop is listed.
Before the old CDOL site was taken down, I visited it and noticed that it had a lot of people listed in my ward; perhaps everyone with a Standard Position. I did not look at other units in my stake or the Church. But that is rather a moot point, since it doesn't really matter how the old site worked. What we need to document is how the current CDOL site works, and for me it doesn't show the Standard Positions.
However, I know that the CDOL shows people different data, depending on their permission level, which depends in part on their calling. Am I seeing what I see because I am an assistant stake clerk? Or is this the standard view for all ward and stake leaders and clerks? -- Aebrown 19:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- Speaking as a stake clerk, when I access CDOL I can now see all stake officers by selecting the Show All Positions link which is displayed alongside the POSITIONS heading. Likewise for each unit in the stake, the same link will display all ward officers assigned to standard positions. In each case when the link is selected if first returns a list of collapsed groups with an arrow button pointing to the right. Selecting the button expands the groups and changes the button so that it points down. Each named officer has a similar button which when selected expands their record to show contact details. --Steve 20:21, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the response. But I have no such Show All Positions link. I'm guessing that is because you are a stake clerk, and I am an assistant stake clerk. If so, that would indicate that the unqualified statement about seeing all the Standard Positions should be edited to indicate that not everyone can see those callings. But I'm not sure who can see what. Does anyone know the answer, or do I just have to round up various leaders in my stake and ask them what they see? -- Aebrown 21:25, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback Alan and Steve, as you can see this has been a process. As of right now, the Show All Positions link is available at the stake and district level to the presidency and the stake or district clerk. The process of providing this information to assistant stake and district clerks is currently under review. Thanks again for your feedback on this and your patience, I will update the page with the correct information. --Caleb 17:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
- The rights for the callings listed have are now all correct as shown. --Jonesrk 20:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
FHC Directors access to CDOL
From talking with my local FHC Director it seems that he has limited access to CDOL, i.e. he can only view the details of other FHC Directors. Is this true in other locations? --Steve 12:20, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
- Yes that is correct, FHC Directors can only view the following organizations: Family History Center, Family History Service Center, Family History Training Center, Family History Center - Public Library. --Jonesrk 20:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
- Why can't I find information about members of another Stake Leadership, in their website? I am the Director of the FHC in South Bend, Indiana, and I signed into CDOL using my user name and password from my LDS Account. When I try to find a person in the Stake Leadership Directory, the Stake Executive Secretary, it won't let me view the information, because I am not a member of that Stake. What good is having CDOL, if persons in leadership positions can't access information from another Stake? -- Hoosier1 15:04, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
View current boundary maps
- You should have a 'Unit Boundary Maps link' at the top of the organization page for stakes and districts, but I tried it with your rights and it is not there. I will have to do some more digging to find the problem. --Jonesrk 20:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
- I found the problem. In the current version of CDOL you had to have edit rights to the organization as well. In the next version (2.3.2) you will have that link available. --Jonesrk 20:55, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks Ryan, for replying and working out what was happening. I will look forward to the new release. --Steve 21:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
- The new release has arrived with the Unit Boundary Maps option. Thanks --Steve 11:49, 16 December 2009 (UTC)