Collaboration in PAF and FamilySearch
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Collaboration in PAF and FamilySearch
This is my first post in this forum, and I am not very well informed about the direction the familysearch changes are headed - so I hope you'll forgive me if I'm not posting this in the most logical/visible thread. I do, however, hope this invites some useful discussion in a new direction.
First Suggestion
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[Problem]
One thing that I haven't seen discussed anywhere in the forum is - What is being done to facilitate collaborative research when there are multiple people researching actively/concurrently on connecting family lines?
A personal example to illustrate my meaning:
I am not the only person in my family doing research on our family lines, my father does extensive research as well. In a large LDS family, I am sure there are others that I'm not aware of as well - who are also doing research.
From time-to-time, my father and I like to sync-up our latest research. Anytime we want to do this we have to go through an extensive match-merge process (sometimes hundreds of names and dates) to see what is new (that the other person has been working on). PAF Insight is helpful in this process, however it still takes a lot of time to go through all of the differences between two files.
[Solution]
My suggestion is this: could it be possible to provide some sort of date-stamp tracking functionality where we could say "import everything into PAF that has been created since the last sync timestamp?" or "allow me to see each change that has been made and import only if I give permission?"
I recognize that the coding in getting this to work properly would be complex - but it would be INCREDIBLY useful.
In other words - be able to run a report that identifies all related entries that have changed since the time of a previous date-stamp. And then be able to perform different functions on the information tied to that report (i.e. import it automatically, allow user-moderated merging, etc.).
Second Suggestion
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[Problem]
A similar problem exists on the FamilySearch site. It makes it easy for people that are just getting started researching a line, but it doesn't make it easy to go back and see what others have added since the last time one has researched certain names or family lines.
[Solution]
It would be very useful to be able to subscribe to automated reports of other information that is being submitted on a family line
I am aware of one site that does something similar - and I find it very useful. I am subscribed to DISBYT - The Computer Genealogy Society of Sweden (http://www.dis.se/denindex.htm). One of the services that this group provides - is an annual report with membership renewal. If I upload a GEDCOM file, they provide me a report of all individuals that have some percentage (ranked on a scale of 1-5) of matching information, including contact information for the submitters.
Even though this is just a static report, it is incredibly useful - as I try to stay updated on any new information that others have researched connecting into my line.
What would be even better - is if the report could be dynamically connected to the data, so that I could see the matching information - and decide right then if I wanted to import it or not into my own file.
I am very interested to see what you think about these ideas.
First Suggestion
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[Problem]
One thing that I haven't seen discussed anywhere in the forum is - What is being done to facilitate collaborative research when there are multiple people researching actively/concurrently on connecting family lines?
A personal example to illustrate my meaning:
I am not the only person in my family doing research on our family lines, my father does extensive research as well. In a large LDS family, I am sure there are others that I'm not aware of as well - who are also doing research.
From time-to-time, my father and I like to sync-up our latest research. Anytime we want to do this we have to go through an extensive match-merge process (sometimes hundreds of names and dates) to see what is new (that the other person has been working on). PAF Insight is helpful in this process, however it still takes a lot of time to go through all of the differences between two files.
[Solution]
My suggestion is this: could it be possible to provide some sort of date-stamp tracking functionality where we could say "import everything into PAF that has been created since the last sync timestamp?" or "allow me to see each change that has been made and import only if I give permission?"
I recognize that the coding in getting this to work properly would be complex - but it would be INCREDIBLY useful.
In other words - be able to run a report that identifies all related entries that have changed since the time of a previous date-stamp. And then be able to perform different functions on the information tied to that report (i.e. import it automatically, allow user-moderated merging, etc.).
Second Suggestion
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[Problem]
A similar problem exists on the FamilySearch site. It makes it easy for people that are just getting started researching a line, but it doesn't make it easy to go back and see what others have added since the last time one has researched certain names or family lines.
[Solution]
It would be very useful to be able to subscribe to automated reports of other information that is being submitted on a family line
I am aware of one site that does something similar - and I find it very useful. I am subscribed to DISBYT - The Computer Genealogy Society of Sweden (http://www.dis.se/denindex.htm). One of the services that this group provides - is an annual report with membership renewal. If I upload a GEDCOM file, they provide me a report of all individuals that have some percentage (ranked on a scale of 1-5) of matching information, including contact information for the submitters.
Even though this is just a static report, it is incredibly useful - as I try to stay updated on any new information that others have researched connecting into my line.
What would be even better - is if the report could be dynamically connected to the data, so that I could see the matching information - and decide right then if I wanted to import it or not into my own file.
I am very interested to see what you think about these ideas.
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My understanding is that PAF is not being updated. You might float your suggestions to commercial genealogy software vendors. In addition to your suggestions, I'd like to have folks login when using the genealogy software so it can date stamp and ID stamp the updates. This would help me see who updated the info & have a handle on how knowledgeable he/she was at the time regarding genealogy matters.
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Yes, that is a good idea. I can see some strong benefit to being able to track updates - both from a data integrity perspective, and a research help.
I haven't heard that the church isn't updating PAF. I'd be interested in learning why - if this is still a tool that is sponsored and supported by the church. Could anyone shed some light on this?
I haven't heard that the church isn't updating PAF. I'd be interested in learning why - if this is still a tool that is sponsored and supported by the church. Could anyone shed some light on this?
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From what I gathered from the tech talks PAF will be phased out in the distant future to be replaced by the NSF client. Of course PAF will still be offered by the church and I think the church is hoping someone will add 3rd party software for PAF to interface into NSF.
So the client is what the church is going to be focused on while still supplying the current version of PAF.
So the client is what the church is going to be focused on while still supplying the current version of PAF.
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My personal thoughts is that PAF is a data model that dates from the dawn of the computer age - all your data is stored on your local drive. But that makes collaboration difficult. The future of genealogy is collaboration. (Think Wikipedia). While a local program may still be needed, it's time to sit down and re-do the whole thing from scratch rather then update an old program.
Secondly, the church really isn't interested in software development, unless that's what it takes to get what's needed. When PAF was originally developed, there wasn't anything suitable at an affordable price. PAF's original price of $35 was ground-breaking. Today there's a number of commercial choices at or less then that original price. There's even one that's free. Given the commercial offerings, it really doesn't make much sense for the church to spend it's limited resources trying to compete with what's already offered.
Secondly, the church really isn't interested in software development, unless that's what it takes to get what's needed. When PAF was originally developed, there wasn't anything suitable at an affordable price. PAF's original price of $35 was ground-breaking. Today there's a number of commercial choices at or less then that original price. There's even one that's free. Given the commercial offerings, it really doesn't make much sense for the church to spend it's limited resources trying to compete with what's already offered.
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Minor point of spelling: The abbreviation is NFS, for New Family Search.thedqs wrote:From what I gathered from the tech talks PAF will be phased out in the distant future to be replaced by the NSF client. Of course PAF will still be offered by the church and I think the church is hoping someone will add 3rd party software for PAF to interface into NSF.
So the client is what the church is going to be focused on while still supplying the current version of PAF.
There's more than one free genealogy software package. Lifelines and Gramps are free, and I think there's one called something very close to GenJ that is also free.RussellHltn wrote:My personal thoughts is that PAF is a data model that dates from the dawn of the computer age - all your data is stored on your local drive. But that makes collaboration difficult. The future of genealogy is collaboration. (Think Wikipedia). While a local program may still be needed, it's time to sit down and re-do the whole thing from scratch rather then update an old program.
Secondly, the church really isn't interested in software development, unless that's what it takes to get what's needed. When PAF was originally developed, there wasn't anything suitable at an affordable price. PAF's original price of $35 was ground-breaking. Today there's a number of commercial choices at or less then that original price. There's even one that's free. Given the commercial offerings, it really doesn't make much sense for the church to spend it's limited resources trying to compete with what's already offered.
There have been lots of postings in several other threads in the past few months about the API that is planned for NFS and plans to allow and/or help development of at least one desktop record manager that would work with the NFS API.
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rmrichesjr wrote:Minor point of spelling: The abbreviation is NFS, for New Family Search.
Opps, yes I did mean NFS, just that the s key got hit right before the f key...
Yep and we are just waiting for the specs.rmrichesjr wrote: There's more than one free genealogy software package. Lifelines and Gramps are free, and I think there's one called something very close to GenJ that is also free.
There have been lots of postings in several other threads in the past few months about the API that is planned for NFS and plans to allow and/or help development of at least one desktop record manager that would work with the NFS API.
Actually I've been told that where I work, OnePage Geneology, actually has them but we have been trying to get our updated program out before we focus on intergratting NFS into the project.
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Is NFS (New Family Search) API open ?
Just wondering if the NFS (New Family Search) API will be published openly,thedqs wrote:Opps, yes I did mean NFS, just that the s key got hit right before the f key...
Yep and we are just waiting for the specs.
Actually I've been told that where I work, OnePage Geneology, actually has them but we have been trying to get our updated program out before we focus on intergratting NFS into the project.
or if it will be something that someone will need to get a non-disclosure aggreement
for ? If it is published openly, provided that document isn't crazy-big, would make a
fine addition to the community documents already posted on the front page of the
LDSTech site.
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There has been mention of the Church encouraging an open-source desktop record manager that would use the NFS API. If the record manager is actually open source, that would imply the API would be openly published.atticusewig wrote:Just wondering if the NFS (New Family Search) API will be published openly,
or if it will be something that someone will need to get a non-disclosure aggreement
for ? If it is published openly, provided that document isn't crazy-big, would make a
fine addition to the community documents already posted on the front page of the
LDSTech site.
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