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If an article is named "Montgomery Co., MD" should we...

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RitcheyMT
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Use acronyms for places in titles?

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Post by RitcheyMT »

Should we allow the use of acronyms or postal codes for places in article titles, or rename ("move") titles containing acronyms?

So, for instance, if an article about Montgomery County, Maryland is named "Montgomery Co., MD" should the title remain or be renamed to "Montgomery County, Maryland?"
JBParker-p40
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Post by JBParker-p40 »

Best use should be Montgomery County, Maryland. Postal codes can be confused with other abbreviations, as can the "Co." abbreviation.
jbh001
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Post by jbh001 »

CA = Canada? or California?

Eschew obfuscation.
Avd. abbrvns.
JamesAnderson
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#4

Post by JamesAnderson »

That example is good, it has been found in the IGI when for some reason or another, names that were completed went into the wrong region. This was found by workers at a temple in Central America.

They found the abbreviation 'CA' with the place names that were supposed to be in the Central America region and not in California.

The problem was eventually fixed. I don't know what they did, but this does point out why abreviations may not always be the right thing. Sometimes they are necessary but they must be used with caution in some other cases.
The_Earl
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Post by The_Earl »

The title says 'acronyms' but you seem to be asking about abbreviations.

I think that abbreviations should be used where they locate a place, but do not significantly diferentiate.

There should not be an article named 'Georgia, USA', but one named 'Georgia, United States of America'.

Likewise, it would be appropriate to have an article titled 'Atlanta, Georgia, USA', instead of the full name.

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Thomas_Lerman
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#6

Post by Thomas_Lerman »

Again consistency between products. I believe we should follow the same standards for place-names as new FamilySearch, etc.

Maybe we can change the search results page to indicate that if you searched using an abbreviation, you may consider spelling out that which was abbreviated.

Hey, why is abbreviation such a long word anyway? (Sorry, that is off topic :D)
Thomas_Lerman
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#7

Post by Thomas_Lerman »

Or maybe if no match is found, it would automatically recognize some of the common abbreviation and produce those results?

An example of this is when Google does not find a match, it displays something like:
Do you mean "Montgomery, Maryland"?

Similar questions can be asked about "St. George" (with or without the period) versus "Saint George", "St. Croix", and those other common abbreviations.
The_Earl
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#8

Post by The_Earl »

Thomas_Lerman wrote: Similar questions can be asked about "St. George" (with or without the period) versus "Saint George", "St. Croix", and those other common abbreviations.
'St' with and without the period seem to work the same as 'Saint' in my sandbox wiki.

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Post by Thomas_Lerman »

Good to know. Same question on Mt. Pleasant, Ft. Collins, etc. Does it recognize these abbreviations as well as it spelled out?
The_Earl
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#10

Post by The_Earl »

The Earl wrote:'St' with and without the period seem to work the same as 'Saint' in my sandbox wiki.

The Earl
Oddly:

Searching for 'St George' returns pages in this order:
  1. Saint George, Utah (5 bytes)
    1: Test1
  2. Saint George, Washington, Utah (5 bytes)
    1: test2
  3. Saint George (5 bytes)
    1: test3
  4. St George (5 bytes)
    1: test5
The oddity is that a 'Go' search would put you at the page that the regular search ranked lowest, even though it matched the search string exactly.

Their search is broken :(:D
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