Cortana not working on Meetinghouse Internet

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Cortana not working on Meetinghouse Internet

Postby alexandergblack » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:59 am

Cortana on my Windows Phone 8.1 is not working on LDSAccess. I know that bing.com is working, but when I try to search using Cortana does not work. Could I have some help?

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Re: Cortana not working on Meetinghouse Internet

Postby russellhltn » Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:22 am

My best guess is that the network is too saturated to handle the traffic necessary for Cortana to work. There is a filter, but I'm not sure where the audio clip is being sent to, so I'm not sure how to test to see if the audio clip is being filtered out.

I'd suggest asking on the Windows-specific forums since they'd know more about how Cortana works. You might also try turning off the WiFi and using your data package.

In many cases, the meetinghouse internet is no better than the local home internet split up among all the members. In other cases, it's dramatically less as they may not have been able to get fiber or cable to the building, so it may be only DSL or maybe even 4G cell service.
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Re: Cortana not working on Meetinghouse Internet

Postby jasonminer » Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:53 am

It's not just audio or a bandwidth issue. I have the same issue and I can't do a search from Windows phone. I can open up any search engine in a browser, but I can't use the Search function on the phone.

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Re: Cortana not working on Meetinghouse Internet

Postby russellhltn » Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:43 am

I still suggest checking with Windows-specific forums to find out how Cortana works. I see other people having problems with their WiFi networks, but so far no real answers. Someone is going to have to figure out what Cortana needs before there any hope of approaching the church networking team about a fix.
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Re: Cortana not working on Meetinghouse Internet

Postby jasonminer » Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:35 pm

I spent a little more time testing this today and have some new information. For some reason, https://www.bing.com gives a certificate error when connected to LDSAccess. It says "This certificate cannot be verified up to a trusted certification authority" and says it was issued by Zscaler Intermediate Root CA. When at home or on other networks, the bing certificate is valid and says that it is issued by Microsoft IT SSL SHA2. Hopefully someone understands what is going on here.

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Re: Cortana not working on Meetinghouse Internet

Postby russellhltn » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:21 pm

jasonminer wrote:For some reason, https://www.bing.com gives a certificate error when connected to LDSAccess. It says "This certificate cannot be verified up to a trusted certification authority" and says it was issued by Zscaler Intermediate Root CA.


Interesting. Might want to try a TRACERT while on the church network. I'll do that if I remember.
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Re: Cortana not working on Meetinghouse Internet

Postby jkentner » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:56 am

I am having the same issue with 5 of our family's Windows Phones. I have been to the chapel when there are no others present and still have the issue, so it is not a bandwidth type issue. I suspect jasonminer is on to something with the cert issue.

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Re: Cortana not working on Meetinghouse Internet

Postby sbradshaw » Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:55 pm

Maybe it has to do with her dress code. :)
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Re: Cortana not working on Meetinghouse Internet

Postby jasonminer » Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:08 am

Here's a tracert from the church

tracert www.bing.com

Tracing route to www.bing.com [199.168.151.251]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 14 ms 5 ms 4 ms 192.168.108.1
2 14 ms 28 ms 3 ms 68.170.88.65
3 30 ms 18 ms 5 ms 10.60.2.1
4 19 ms 87 ms 21 ms 192.168.7.201
5 27 ms 10 ms 16 ms te0-0-1-1.nr11.b001035-1.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com [38.88.155.69]
6 23 ms 28 ms 8 ms te0-0-0-0.agr14.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.24.6.29]
7 27 ms 40 ms 9 ms te0-6-0-13.ccr21.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.24.125]
8 20 ms 15 ms 14 ms be2441.ccr21.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.41.66]
9 15 ms 20 ms 30 ms be2031.ccr21.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.7.46]
10 18 ms 12 ms 16 ms abovenet.dfw03.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.10.118]
11 151 ms 11 ms 17 ms ae11.cr1.dfw2.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.20.65]
12 49 ms 45 ms 45 ms v111.ae28.cr1.lga5.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.30.72]
13 71 ms 49 ms 46 ms ae10.mpr3.lga7.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.20.77]
14 48 ms 58 ms 47 ms ae0.mpr1.lga7.us.zip.zayo.com [64.125.32.218]
15 49 ms 48 ms 48 ms 208.184.49.74.IPYX-069051-003-ZYO.above.net [208.184.49.74]
16 44 ms 46 ms 44 ms 199.168.151.251

Trace complete.

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Re: Cortana not working on Meetinghouse Internet

Postby jkentner » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:23 pm

I took a screen shot using my laptop. The certificate on the left is when connecting directly to the cable modem, the certificate on the right is when connected through the firewall. The Church is using Zpath with is a Zscaler product. The issue getting to https://www.bing.com is the same issue when doing a search on Windows Phone or via Cortana on Windows 10. I am working with GSC on this. I will post what I find out.
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