Windows 10 Upgrade

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Windows 10 Upgrade

Postby showseason » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:08 am

Concerning the recent Win 10 upgrade email, does anyone know how to interpret the following statement?

Step 1: Please power on all meetinghouse computers and leave them on until the computer has been upgraded to Windows 10.

There are 3 wards in our meetinghouse. My Tech Specialist does not see any need to do this simultaneously.

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Re: Windows 10 Upgrade

Postby Biggles » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:19 am

showseason wrote:Concerning the recent Win 10 upgrade email, does anyone know how to interpret the following statement?

Step 1: Please power on all meetinghouse computers and leave them on until the computer has been upgraded to Windows 10.

There are 3 wards in our meetinghouse. My Tech Specialist does not see any need to do this simultaneously.

I interpret Step 1 as exactly what it says. Leave powered on until the upgrade has taken place.

Not all computers will be upgraded at the same time. Some may not be upgraded at all, especially if they are not left on 24/7.

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Re: Windows 10 Upgrade

Postby sbradshaw » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:46 am

If the internet connection in slow in the meetinghouse, I could understand that the technology specialist might want to do them one at a time. It's hard to plan, though, since you don't know exactly when the update will be pushed to your computers.
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Re: Windows 10 Upgrade

Postby lajackson » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:33 am

I suppose you could leave one computer on until it upgraded, then turn on the next, then the next, etc. The problem would be if the upgrade is pushed one time and then the other computer would miss it.

On the other hand, hopefully the upgrade is "made available" and then the computers would just pick it up at some point when they were on. But if you really want to upgrade, I would hate to risk it.

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Re: Windows 10 Upgrade

Postby Rick.Winterton » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:13 am

The upgrade will be done without human intervention. Also, they're apparently going to move fairly slowly. They're only allowing a few days for each group of computers to upgrade. If all of your computers are not left on, one or more of them may not be upgraded.

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Re: Windows 10 Upgrade

Postby drepouille » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:35 am

IMHO, this has "bad idea" written all over it. Since the FMs try to purchase the minimum acceptable Internet service in order to reduce budget expenditures, most meetinghouses simply don't have the bandwidth for a 4GB download push. That is why many of us requested the ability to download large images (for both FHC and Admin computers) at home, where we could create a bootable ISO on a USB flash drive or DVD. My stake has 12 Admin computers in 8 meetinghouses. Two meetinghouses have cablemodems. Five meetinghouses have marginal DSL service, one of them with three wards sharing the DSL. One meetinghouse uses a wireless connection to the ISP, between dish and antenna. One STS with a customized LDS image of Windows 10 could upgrade them all without worries.
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Re: Windows 10 Upgrade

Postby Biggles » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:00 am

drepouille wrote:IMHO, this has "bad idea" written all over it. Since the FMs try to purchase the minimum acceptable Internet service in order to reduce budget expenditures, most meetinghouses simply don't have the bandwidth for a 4GB download push. That is why many of us requested the ability to download large images (for both FHC and Admin computers) at home, where we could create a bootable ISO on a USB flash drive or DVD. My stake has 12 Admin computers in 8 meetinghouses. Two meetinghouses have cablemodems. Five meetinghouses have marginal DSL service, one of them with three wards sharing the DSL. One meetinghouse uses a wireless connection to the ISP, between dish and antenna. One STS with a customized LDS image of Windows 10 could upgrade them all without worries.


No 5 in the FAQ section, in part, covers your question.

"5. What if we have internet with metered or capped data (maximum level of data allowed each month)?
If your meetinghouse internet is on a metered or capped data plan, it may not be best to participate in this Windows 10 upgrade push. For example, if your meetinghouse has an internet data cap of 5 to 10 GB per month, it may not be acceptable for your clerk computer to receive the 4 GB file download. If you choose not to participate for this reason, you can avoid the upgrade by simply powering off your machine rather than leaving it turned on during the week."


I agree whole hardheartedly about an ISO image. However, I suspect this won't be made available to us any time soon, as there are probably licensing issues until after the 29th July. Whenever an image is made available it will be custom made for Church purposes only, just like the upgrade on offer at the moment.

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Re: Windows 10 Upgrade

Postby drepouille » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:51 am

Well, none of our meetinghouses have metered or capped usage. On the bright side, failure to upgrade now has very few penalties, since we should receive new computers before Windows 7 becomes unsupported in 2020. Our FM waited until long after Windows XP became unsupported, so I'm sure he really doesn't care about Windows 7 End of Life.
The advantage of staying with Windows 7 is that we skip the learning curve of Windows 10. Keep It Simple.
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Re: Windows 10 Upgrade

Postby Biggles » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:01 am

drepouille wrote:The advantage of staying with Windows 7 is that we skip the learning curve of Windows 10. Keep It Simple.

Or use a 3rd party interface (Not approved by the Church, but would be nice if they did), to make it look like W7. ;)

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Re: Windows 10 Upgrade

Postby russellhltn » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:45 am

Biggles wrote:I interpret Step 1 as exactly what it says. Leave powered on until the upgrade has taken place.

That's how I read it as well. We don't know the details about how the upgrade process is grouped. But it is designed to happen when no one is using the system, so I don't see a downside to leaving them all on at the same time. Some download processes will share retrieved packets among peer computers - I think Microsoft Update can do that. I don't know if the IBM client does that.
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