Ward Boundaries
- marianomarini
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Because I don't see the useful of geographic "unit boundary", I would suggest to setup logical boundaries founded under "more close" instead of fixed border.
Now we have all the tools to manage each single case!
But this must be done by The President (of course).
Someoune can pass the suggestion?
Now we have all the tools to manage each single case!
But this must be done by The President (of course).
Someoune can pass the suggestion?
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As I understand it, unit boundaries are established to maintain units at a desired size. Too small and there are not enough leaders. Too large and there are not enough opportunities for service.
The building location was chosen based on the member population at the time. But as the population shifts, that can change. As a result, some members may find themselves not going to the closest building.
The building location was chosen based on the member population at the time. But as the population shifts, that can change. As a result, some members may find themselves not going to the closest building.
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In my experience, distance from the meetinghouse is indeed considered when wards or stakes are divided. But that is not the only factor, and not even the most important consideration. There are natural geographical boundaries (rivers, valleys, etc.), school districts, major highways, etc. The size of the new wards, and the balance of priesthood holders, youth, children, and active members are also important factors, as well as anticipated future growth and the location of key individuals such as a bishop or patriarch.marianomarini_vi wrote:Because I don't see the useful of geographic "unit boundary", I would suggest to setup logical boundaries founded under "more close" instead of fixed border.
Now we have all the tools to manage each single case!
But this must be done by The President (of course).
Someoune can pass the suggestion?
I'm sure I'm missing many other reasonable considerations, but the main point is that many factors are considered as boundary changes are contemplated, and most importantly, the stake president(s) involved seek inspiration and revelation in their decisions. Finally, any such proposals are reviewed by the Office of the First Presidency and may be adjusted or completely rejected at that level.
Once approved, the final result is a set of very specific geographic boundaries that determine precisely what homes are in what ward. These boundaries may not seem completely logical to those who were not involved in the process, but you can rest assured that much study and prayer has gone into the decision.
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If I correctly understand what you are suggesting, it appears you are saying that membership of a particular ward could be based on proximity to the closest meetinghouse (your phrase was "more close"), and not based on geographical unit boundaries as is the current Church policy. Is this correct?marianomarini_vi wrote:Because I don't see the useful of geographic "unit boundary", I would suggest to setup logical boundaries founded under "more close" instead of fixed border.
Now we have all the tools to manage each single case!
But this must be done by The President (of course).
Someoune can pass the suggestion?
I will first point out the fact that wards being based on geographical boundaries is indeed a currently policy, and as pointed out earlier in this thread, exceptions to the rule are to be approved all the way up to the highest levels. In order for the Church to be managed in an efficient and widespread manner, there must be consistency and reliability in knowing to what jurisdiction you belong or are responsible for. From the top to the bottom, everyone needs to depend on knowing where they belong without any question. The Church is ultimately responsible for every single one of God's children here on earth. A geographical break up is a very logical way to delegate these stewardships and cover every square inch of earth on this planet (which covers every human being).
Every Church unit in the world has geographical boundary in it's definition. Some units have further restrictions (like they must be young single adults or Spanish speaking), but geographical boundary is always there as well (even if the boundary is that of the ward's entire stake boundary).
A majority of the time, your closest meetinghouse is also the one your ward is assigned to attend. As Russell points out, there are scenarios that can change this and make it seem less intuitive in its current setup. Size of a ward or branch is an important consideration, and it could be difficult to break up wards based on how close they are to a meetinghouse. You could have two meetinghouses in a stake, but 90% of the members are really close to the one building. It wouldn't make sense to let all 90% of the members attend wards at that one building because the building can only host so many wards on Sundays. A few wards will just have to attend the farther away meetinghouse.
I hope this information helps give you some perspective on why things are they way they are. I am having a hard time thinking of a better solution than the current one. But again, the current solution is an official policy and should be adhered to until it changes (if it ever does).
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We recently had a couple of wards order maps from Salt Lake. I was looking at one of them when it came in and noticed that there was a block of text that addressed the fact that there may be uninhabited areas in the ward boundaries but every part of the earth needed to be assigned a unit. I'll try to remember to get the exact phrasing the next time I'm in that building.mkmurray wrote:A geographical break up is a very logical way to delegate these stewardships and cover every square inch of earth on this planet (which covers every human being).
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I'm an old italian conveted. I joined the Church in the 1974 and I saw many changes in wards, districts, Missions and Stakes boundary.
I'm not questioning about how it was made since now, just wondering if it's came the time to look ahead and use another way, using latter-day (modern) techs.
Any solution has its own "pro et contro" (latin sentence) and, as I said before, this is a matter to First Presidency. This is a technical forum and I'm speaking of technical matters only!
I'm not questioning about how it was made since now, just wondering if it's came the time to look ahead and use another way, using latter-day (modern) techs.
Any solution has its own "pro et contro" (latin sentence) and, as I said before, this is a matter to First Presidency. This is a technical forum and I'm speaking of technical matters only!
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The basic issues remain regardless of the technologies applied.
The answer is to convert your neighborhood so a chapel will be built closer to you.
The answer is to convert your neighborhood so a chapel will be built closer to you.
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- marianomarini
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I was thinking about a FUZZY system. Each condition expressed in this thread can be convert into FUZZY rules (distance, gender, marriage, priesthood, ecc.).RussellHltn wrote:The basic issues remain regardless of the technologies applied.
So every unit can be divided into homogeneouse conditions. At best we can have two families living in the same building and attending two different units!
I live one Kilometer far from meeting house. No need to convert anybody!:)The answer is to convert your neighborhood so a chapel will be built closer to you.
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I was in an office with one of the maps yesterday. Here's the wording, for those who are interested:[INDENT]scgallafent wrote:We recently had a couple of wards order maps from Salt Lake. I was looking at one of them when it came in and noticed that there was a block of text that addressed the fact that there may be uninhabited areas in the ward boundaries but every part of the earth needed to be assigned a unit.
[/INDENT]Do not be concerned if your map includes uninhabited areas that you have not considered part of your unit. Church policy requires that all the land area of the world be included in the boundaries of an ecclesiastical church unit.
- marianomarini
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Technicaly speaking uninhabited zone can be include as well into logical boundary.
In that case there will be only one variable: distance.
The only problem (problem or opportunity?) I see is about Missionary work.
As said before, all variables must be setup for a real people. This mean that missionaries has to collect all informations before investigator could be assigned to a unit.
In that case there will be only one variable: distance.
The only problem (problem or opportunity?) I see is about Missionary work.
As said before, all variables must be setup for a real people. This mean that missionaries has to collect all informations before investigator could be assigned to a unit.
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