Baptism and Confirmation Records

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Baptism and Confirmation Records

Postby mrbrutus111 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:39 pm

Fellow Clerks:

I have recently undertaken a records audit for my ward unit. I have found that the vast majority of the records for the ward members -- including myself and my family -- do not include the name of the person who officiated in the respective member's baptism and confirmation. As the church is fairly fastidious regarding record keeping, this seemed odd to me.

The online LCR tools make this fairly easy to update, but I was curious as to why this was the case for my ward unit. Is this also the case for other clerks and their wards? Was this information not recorded previously? Or was this information lost at some point when moving the data online?

Thank you in advance for any insights as to why this is the case, or any recommendations as to how to efficiently complete these records.

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Re: Baptism and Confirmation Records

Postby russellhltn » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:10 pm

Situation normal (and NOT fouled up).

At one time the church did record the "by whom" for all the ordinance work - including the name of the proxy for temple work. But sometime in the 1980's after doing a process review, it was found that there was no gospel purpose to that information, and it was no longer recorded. (This was the same time the mag-stripe readers were removed from the temple. Their primary purpose was to automate the recording of who did the proxy work for each name. Since that was no longer being done, the equipment was no longer needed.)

The "by whom" blanks remained on the Baptismal Certificate, and MLS allowed the information to be inputted to print the certificate, but since it wasn't transferred to CHQ, that information was lost when the record was moved out.

Now that function has been moved to LCR. Apparently, it's no longer lost on a move-out, but I don't think it's a part of the member's record. It's just "miscellaneous" information hanging around in LCR.

So, I wouldn't worry about it. It's not worth the effort which could be directed to more productive things.

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Re: Baptism and Confirmation Records

Postby mrbrutus111 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:14 pm

Thank you! I really appreciate the response. I was worried about the daunting task of re-collecting that information.

Yes, there are many great ways to spend time cleaning up records. Thank you for the suggestions!

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Re: Baptism and Confirmation Records

Postby lajackson » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:22 pm

If you have any information in your clerk's office about who performed any Melchizedek Priesthood ordinations, the Church is interested in gathering and recording that information if it was not recorded. I would not expend any great effort looking for it. I would just be aware of that need if you happen to run across any historical forms or records during a clerk's office tidying up effort.

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Re: Baptism and Confirmation Records

Postby jonesrk » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:16 pm

russellhltn wrote:Now that function has been moved to LCR. Apparently, it's no longer lost on a move-out, but I don't think it's a part of the member's record. It's just "miscellaneous" information hanging around in LCR.

It is stored with a members record now and that is why it isn't lost on a move-out. And it is actually required now to enter the baptism.
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Re: Baptism and Confirmation Records

Postby drepouille » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:47 am

jonesrk wrote:It is stored with a members record now and that is why it isn't lost on a move-out. And it is actually required now to enter the baptism.

The exception to that rule appears to be the recording of convert baptisms at the mission offices. After they create the membership record, I have to figure out how to identify those who performed the baptism and confirmation. If a missionary did it, I have to get his MRN from either him or the mission office. I need that information mainly for the certificate, and LCR now requires it.
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Re: Baptism and Confirmation Records

Postby BroRomz » Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:15 pm

does anyone knows how to re create a baptism and confirmation record... we have this member who was baptized many years ago(20 + years ago) at age 9 and they have all the information and we have written testimonies of witnesses.. i get stuck with this pop up message .....A person who is age nine or older is considered a convert. Membership records for converts are normally created by missions. To avoid creating a duplicate record, please do not create this record until you have checked with the mission office.

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Re: Baptism and Confirmation Records

Postby drepouille » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:53 am

I assume you have tried to look up the member by name and birth date on LCR (Move Records In: https://www.lds.org/mls/mbr/records/request/find-member
I think your only way forward is to send a message through MLS to membership support, and give them all the information you have. They may ask you to mail all your documentation to them.
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Re: Baptism and Confirmation Records

Postby eblood66 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:24 am

BroRomz wrote:does anyone knows how to re create a baptism and confirmation record... we have this member who was baptized many years ago(20 + years ago) at age 9 and they have all the information and we have written testimonies of witnesses.. i get stuck with this pop up message .....A person who is age nine or older is considered a convert. Membership records for converts are normally created by missions. To avoid creating a duplicate record, please do not create this record until you have checked with the mission office.

In this case, you don't need to check with the mission office since it was long ago. As drepouille indicated you should make sure there isn't already a record by trying to request the record. But assuming that comes up empty you should still bee able to create the record. That popup should ask if you want to continue. Just answer Yes and you should be able to enter the rest of the information and create the record.

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Re: Baptism and Confirmation Records

Postby andyrasman » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:40 pm

In regards to Baptism and Confirmation records, I have a member who came up during my membership audit as having been ordained to the priesthood (office of Priest in the Aaronic Priesthood), but he does not have a Baptism or Confirmation date. Is there a way to find the member's original Baptism and Confirmation Form so that I can enter that information on his record? I will contact the member as well, but I suspect he won't recall that information.


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