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Children with MRNs appear on the HoH record but not as members of the household; nor do they appear on Primary class rosters. How do we correct that?

There seems to be a great deal of confusion over two very different, but similar looking parts of the membership record.

I believe you are looking at the individual record for the HoH. The information is strictly genealogical. It will list all of his children, regardless of if they are living at home or even living at all.

When you pull up the list of individuals, are the children listed there? If not, then you do not have their records. They will not appear in the directory nor any classes because of that. The fix is to request their records.

However, it's possible there are no records. The MRN you see is simply a placeholder. This is not uncommon when dealing with adult converts. The mission only creates the records of the new convert and notes the presence of children, but does not create any child-of-record records for them.

Consult the Handbook for the rules on creating records. Note that you cannot do that if the child has reached the age of 8 and has not been baptized.

The unbaptized child is 8yo. A search for his record using his MRN produced the following result: "This Membership Record Number is not for a valid membership record."

Household reports and contact lists display the names of nonmember spouses. How do we add the names of nonmember children and youth to our attendance rosters and action lists?

Can the out-of-unit menu option be modified to resolve this issue? Today's release notes for LCR 3.0 state: "Using the Membership menu, selected information for members whose membership records are not assigned to the ward but who regularly visit, such as a young woman visiting her father every other Sunday, can be included in appropriate ward lists, such as Young Women and Sunday School class rolls."

jagflynn wrote:The unbaptized child is 8yo. ... How do we add the names of nonmember children and youth to our attendance rosters and action lists?

You can't. Not unless someone on high changes their decision. You're going to have to add them manually (by hand).

I actually had this same question... When you say they must be added by hand, you are talking hand-writing them into each roster?

I was confused when I saw this policy too:

"Using the Membership menu, selected information for members whose membership records are not assigned to the ward but who regularly visit, such as a young woman visiting her father every other Sunday, can be included in appropriate ward lists, such as Young Women and Sunday School class rolls."

Is there no way other than hand-writing in each person to each roster every time it's printed? It just seems odd there is no other way considering the policy above. For Primary kids, it seems the same action as above, only the children are younger.

adoga wrote:I actually had this same question...

Just to make sure we're talking about the same situation:

• The child does not have a membership record (as evidenced by attempting to move them in and being told "This Membership Record Number is not for a valid membership record.") Just because there's a number on the parent's record, doesn't make it a valid MRN.
• The child is age 8 or older (otherwise, you could create a Child-of-Record.)
• The child has not been baptized (otherwise, you could create a record for them.)

adoga wrote:When you say they must be added by hand, you are talking hand-writing them into each roster?

Yes.

adoga wrote:I was confused when I saw this policy too:

"Using the Membership menu, selected information for members whose membership records are not assigned to the ward but who regularly visit, such as a young woman visiting her father every other Sunday, can be included in appropriate ward lists, such as Young Women and Sunday School class rolls."

That's for children who have a membership record/child-of-record, but split their time between two wards - such as the case of children who spending alternating weekends between parents.

adoga wrote:Is there no way other than hand-writing in each person to each roster every time it's printed? It just seems odd there is no other way considering the policy above. For Primary kids, it seems the same action as above, only the children are younger.

Have them get baptized. Once they reach the age for baptism, that door closes.

Ah! thanks.