I am saying in matters where the training differs from the handbooks, the handbooks is the policy.russellhltn wrote:I'm not sure as I understand your position. Is it that the training only says "should not" which leaves open the possibility of allowing a clerk? Or are you saying only the Handbook matters?Gary_Miller wrote:I would trust that he has read the Handbook and is making the proper decision based on the guidance in the Handbook regardless of what information others have given him.
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I disagree. Not all policy is written in the handbook. The training does not contradict the handbook.Gary_Miller wrote: I am saying in matters where the training differs from the handbooks, the handbooks is the policy.
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Your right not all policy is written in the Handbook. However, "We need to remember that policy directions are approved and announced only by the First Presidency. They are not introduced through rumor from one leader or member to another." (Overview of the New Handbooks Elder Dallin H. Oaks).russellhltn wrote:I disagree. Not all policy is written in the handbook.
It certainly does contradict the handbook. The handbook only states Stake Clerks and Assistant Stake Clerks are not to be auditors. The training includes ward clerks and assistant ward clerks.russellhltn wrote:The training does not contradict the handbook.
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Actually, it doesn't contradict at all. It augments the Handbook by adding an additional potential limitation. Stake presidents receive very specific training from their priesthood leaders on how to handle these types of situations.Gary_Miller wrote:It certainly does contradict the handbook. The handbook only states Stake Clerks and Assistant Stake Clerks are not to be auditors. The training includes ward clerks and assistant ward clerks.
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If you don't "interrupt and command [the bishop's] attention" how can he approve the expenses? He may not have to sign, but he does have to approve the expenses, so there does have to be some sort of interaction with him.mbs6 wrote:Excellent. Thank you for the clarity. Of all the questions raised, the one which gives me the most trouble is whether the Bishop must sign all checks, most especially fast offering checks. I've encountered several auditors and clerks over the years who insist the Bishop must sign all checks. I prefer to have counselors sign the checks once I have the Bishop's approval. The Bishop has enough to do without me inventing requirements for him. Having him sign every check often requires me to interrupt and command his attention toward paperwork when he is busy with ecclesiastical matters.
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I would not classify the training material coming from CHQ as "rumor".Gary_Miller wrote:However, "We need to remember that policy directions are approved and announced only by the First Presidency. They are not introduced through rumor from one leader or member to another." (Overview of the New Handbooks Elder Dallin H. Oaks).
The training adds a "should not" to the Handbook's "shall not". It does not approve something the Handbook prohibits.
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Seeing as how the 2010 handbook is supposed to replace anything in the handbooks that came before (and there's no older handbook to refer to because it should have been destroyed), we may be left in a confusing spot. How can we know if a topic is simply covered outside of the handbook or if its exclusion from the handbook was on purpose, meaning there is not supposed to be a policy about that topic? How do we know if training materials were written before or after the current handbook was published?russellhltn wrote:Not all policy is written in the handbook.
Ideally, there would be no conflict between the information contained in the handbook and any other material which comes from any level of church leadership. But when the handbook and any other source are covering the same topic and one of them appears to be different from the other, it's only natural that we would defer to the handbook.
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Is that a problem in this case? I can't remember having a problem figuring out the date of a official directive is when I've been able to lay my hands on it - only when someone is reporting what they've read.mrrad wrote:How do we know if training materials were written before or after the current handbook was published?
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In this case? I have no idea. My new calling is not an access-to-handbook-one calling. I just thought that the principles we're discussing here, if true, should be applicable to all situations where there's a question of the handbook vs. some other source.russellhltn wrote:Is that a problem in this case?
...and that brings us back on topic. This whole discussion started because someone was following a policy when nobody can find the source of that policy anymore... so that made it difficult to figure out if the policy was outdated or if it never officially existed in the first place. The only evidence we have that it was a policy is someone remembered that it used to be that way.russellhltn wrote:I can't remember having a problem figuring out the date of a official directive is when I've been able to lay my hands on it - only when someone is reporting what they've read.
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If no one can find it, that's a different story.mrrad wrote:...and that brings us back on topic. This whole discussion started because someone was following a policy when nobody can find the source of that policy anymore... so that made it difficult to figure out if the policy was outdated or if it never officially existed in the first place. The only evidence we have that it was a policy is someone remembered that it used to be that way.
But like most threads, this one has gone from the issue of who can sign checks to who can be an auditor? The Handbook or the current training materials for the auditors? Does one take presidence, or do they co-exist?
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