Moving Missionary money from one son to another

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Moving Missionary money from one son to another

Postby rexgj » Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:42 am

We have a family who sent a son on a mission, he served 24 months, came home, then a second son has now gone out. I noticed in the Income and Expense Report, that there is a fairly large balance listed under the son who has already returned home. Can I transfer these funds from the "returned" son, to the "serving" son?

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Postby atticusewig » Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:51 am

Technically, it can be done.

The rationale is that the donations made
on behalf of a specific missionary are actually
donated to support any ward missionary.
This is why the donations are tax-deductible.

The use of the ward missionary funds are at
the discretion of local priesthood leaders, so
be sure to clear such a transfer with them
prior to doing one.

- Atticus Ewig

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Postby mamadsen » Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:52 am

rexgj wrote: Can I transfer these funds from the "returned" son, to the "serving" son?


Yes. If they didn't have a second son serving a mission, you could transfer it to the Ward missionary fund to be used for others serving from the ward. Eventually, if it is determined that there are excess missionary funds, they are remitted to the stake, who then remits their excess funds to the Church.

In no case should the funds be "refunded" to the member which could cause tax issues.

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Postby rexgj » Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:57 am

Among other "annoyances" this "returned missionary" shows up every month, and in every missionary screen (because he has funds associated with him), and I would like to get him out of the system. Just wanted to make sure I can make that kind of transfer; I thought I could, but couldn't find documentation on it.

Thanks,

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Postby crislapi » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:15 am

rexgj wrote:Among other "annoyances" this "returned missionary" shows up every month, and in every missionary screen (because he has funds associated with him), and I would like to get him out of the system. Just wanted to make sure I can make that kind of transfer; I thought I could, but couldn't find documentation on it.


That subcategory will persist for the retention period - 3 years plus current from the time of the last transaction. See here.

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Postby aebrown » Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:44 am

rexgj wrote:Among other "annoyances" this "returned missionary" shows up every month, and in every missionary screen (because he has funds associated with him), and I would like to get him out of the system.


Once you have set the balance for that missionary's subcategory to 0 by transferring that balance to Ward Missionary or to another subcategory of Ward Missionary, you can go to Finances > Add/Update Categories and deactivate that subcategory. Then it won't show up in the list of categories as you select a missionary subcategory when you are processing donations.

The category will stick around for the Record retention period, but you won't see it in most places (especially starting next year, when there will be no activity or balance to cause it to show up on reports), so the annoyance will be minimal. But it's important to set the balance to 0 as soon as possible, because you don't start the clock on the time the subcategory will finally go away until you do.

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Postby rexgj » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:07 pm

Thank you for your responses. I'm now clear on how this works, and what I need to do.

Since my last login, I went to the clerk's office and found there are other "sub-categories" in both "Ward Missionary" and "Other" which have not been used in years (missionaries long since returned, etc), but MLS will not allow me to delete that sub-category because "it is in use." How is it in use? In what way is it being used? Is there a way to know what that "use" is?

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Postby jdlessley » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:16 pm

rexgj wrote:Since my last login, I went to the clerk's office and found there are other "sub-categories" in both "Ward Missionary" and "Other" which have not been used in years (missionaries long since returned, etc), but MLS will not allow me to delete that sub-category because "it is in use." How is it in use? In what way is it being used? Is there a way to know what that "use" is?
'In use' means that the category has financial transactions that fall within the retention period for records. Until the last financial transaction date exceeds the retention period the category will be 'in use.' If the balance of the category is 0 you can only deactivate the category.
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Have you tried finding your answer on the LDS.org Help Center page or the LDSTech wiki?

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Postby aebrown » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:29 pm

rexgj wrote:Thank you for your responses. I'm now clear on how this works, and what I need to do.

Since my last login, I went to the clerk's office and found there are other "sub-categories" in both "Ward Missionary" and "Other" which have not been used in years (missionaries long since returned, etc), but MLS will not allow me to delete that sub-category because "it is in use." How is it in use? In what way is it being used? Is there a way to know what that "use" is?


A subcategory is "in use" if it has any data (meaning a non-zero balance, or any transactions in or out) in the entire data set. MLS retains data for the Record retention period. In the US this is three years plus the current year, and we are in 2009, so that means if there is any activity in 2006, 2007, 2008, or 2009, the category is in use.

Another way of looking at it is: if you do the appropriate transfers in 2009 to get the balance to zero, you can deactivate the subcategory. Then as MLS rolls into 2013, that category can then finally be completely deleted. (Of course these dates would be adjusted for countries with longer retention periods.)

You can run an Income and Expense Detail Report on any subcategory of interest, specifying a custom range of 1 Jan 2006 to the present. Then you'll see precisely what transactions are making it "in use."

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Postby RossEvans » Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:14 pm

rexgj wrote:We have a family who sent a son on a mission, he served 24 months, came home, then a second son has now gone out. I noticed in the Income and Expense Report, that there is a fairly large balance listed under the son who has already returned home. Can I transfer these funds from the "returned" son, to the "serving" son?


You might also dig into the original donation envelopes and make sure the clerks credited the donations to the correct Ward Missionary subcategory. (Maybe the new subcategory was not created in time, and the clerks erroneously used the old one?)

If the parents' intent was really to donate to support Number Two Son, I think those can be corrected retroactively in the closed batches. It seems odd that the parents would deliberately contribute more than was necessary for Number One Son and not contribute to Number Two.


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