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Postby mdantas » Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:11 pm

Hello, I am serving as bishop in my unit and I would like to take some questions about the MLS here in the forum.

I used MLS in my notebook personal only as a backup to MLS that is in our capeça. I wonder if this is correct.

The second question is how can I have a username and password on mls.lds.org and what specifically this site is, has only download new versions of MLS or has something more useful to the side on the MLS?

There are plans to have a version of the MLS to run with linux?

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Postby emrolgould » Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:39 pm

Hello Bishop,

The policy mentioned in this post suggests that it is not okay for you to have MLS data on your personal notebook.

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Postby russellhltn » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:08 pm

Past policy has indicated that it's not acceptable to have personal information on personally owned computers.

As for the mls.lds.org, the login information is for the Stake Technology Specialist. All units in the stake need to be on the same version of MLS, so MLS upgrades must be coordinated by the stake.

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Postby childsdj » Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:12 pm

There are currently no plans for MLS to run on linux. The username for the MLS download site is your unit number. The password for the site can be obtained by calling the local unit support office; however, the site is currently only being used for units in the U.S. and Canada. Downloads outside of the the U.S. or Canada should come through your Area MSR office or stake.

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Postby Jeremy-p40 » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:30 am

DJC wrote: The password for the site can be obtained by calling the local unit support office.

Actually, if you call headquarters, they won't tell you the password because they can't verify you. But you will find the password in the Desktop 5.5 instructions and in a couple of the Tips of the Week that should be in MLS Messages - I can't remember the titles, but one is in regards to the new mls.lds.org website. You could also send a message through MLS Messages to request the password, and they will tell you, because they can "verify" a user through an MLS message.
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Postby Mikerowaved » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:11 pm

DJC wrote:There are currently no plans for MLS to run on linux.

That's too bad. I would think a Java app like MLS should be portable enough to run under Linux (with a little tweaking here and there). Combined with the OpenOffice.org suite would be all most unit's would really need. The cost savings of having an open OS on that many machines I'm sure is attractive and has been already considered. I'm not at all bashing the decision to stick with a commercial OS. I'm certain I don't have all the facts to make such a decision. I'm just exploring the possibilities...

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Postby mkmurray » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:39 pm

Mikerowaved wrote:That's too bad. I would think a Java app like MLS should be portable enough to run under Linux (with a little tweaking here and there). Combined with the OpenOffice.org suite would be all most unit's would really need. The cost savings of having an open OS on that many machines I'm sure is attractive and has been already considered. I'm not at all bashing the decision to stick with a commercial OS. I'm certain I don't have all the facts to make such a decision. I'm just exploring the possibilities...

I worked with one of the guys that was hired to do the initial rewrite of MIS into Java MLS. He said at the time there was a lot of resistance within the ranks of the Church to write the application in Java. They had to conform to many legacy procedures and policies. It could be they weren't able to lay the groundwork as nicely as they had hoped. Yes, Java itself is cross-platform and portable; however, I gather many of the design principles and communication protocols they had to adhere to may not have been very cross-platform and portable friendly (again, in the initial rewrite, but it was the groundwork for the rest of the app).

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Postby WelchTC » Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:56 am

Mikerowaved wrote:That's too bad. I would think a Java app like MLS should be portable enough to run under Linux (with a little tweaking here and there). Combined with the OpenOffice.org suite would be all most unit's would really need. The cost savings of having an open OS on that many machines I'm sure is attractive and has been already considered. I'm not at all bashing the decision to stick with a commercial OS. I'm certain I don't have all the facts to make such a decision. I'm just exploring the possibilities...

Although MLS is in Java, there are some components (namely the communication piece that transmits information back to CHQ) that are not in java and only run in Windows. Until those are replaced, java will not be an option. Also, we discussed in another forum the challenges of switching to Linux such as support, maintenance, etc. The church would have to go through a major retraining program to train support personnel on Linux and maintenance issues, how to diagnose problems, etc. In this forum we have discussed using local resources for support and that could be part of the solution but there are still many operational issues to resolve before that would ever become a reality.

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Postby mkmurray » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:55 am

tomw wrote:Until those are replaced, java will not be an option.

I imagine you mean Linux.

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Postby russellhltn » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:25 pm

Also, the Church runs an Enterprise-level IT system. What percentage of enterprise-class businesses run *nix as a desktop OS? In the past the Church as left things up to local units, but with Desktop 5.5 and LANDesk, I'm seeing them moving toward enterprise-like setups.


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