Criteria for "Member is a convert"

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pwilson
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Criteria for "Member is a convert"

Postby pwilson » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:46 am

I created a custom report this week listing all of our Melchizedek Priesthood holders and added a column showing whether or not a person was a convert to the church. It appeared as though anyone that has joined the church within the past 10 years showed up as "a convert" but if it was later than that they did not show up as converts (for example one brother had joined the church in the 70's and he had a "no" in the convert column).

Any idea why members may not show up as converts or what drives this data point?

Interestingly enough we had one Elder who was BIC, but showed up as a convert...

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Postby russellhltn » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:48 am

I'm not sure what criteria they used. You may want to compare the member's birth date against their baptism date. One possible definition is anyone who was baptized after age 8. BIC is irrelevant.

I tried running the report in the test unit, but it ended up blank. I'm not sure what's going on.
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Postby aebrown » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:03 am

RussellHltn wrote:I'm not sure what criteria they used. You may want to compare the member's birth date against their baptism date. One possible definition is anyone who was baptized after age 8. BIC is irrelevant.

I tried running the report in the test unit, but it ended up blank. I'm not sure what's going on.


The definition of a convert (which is documented in the MLS Help system) is: "Converts of the church are persons who are nine years or older when they are both baptized and confirmed."

But the "Is Convert" attribute available in custom reports doesn't seem to follow this definition. Using the test data, some examples would be Raul Asay, Brett Thomas Byington or Christopher Schults. All these were at least 10 years old when baptized, but every single person in the test data has "Is Convert" set to "No".

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Postby dwterry-p40 » Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:17 pm

The test data is probably old.

MLS used to have its own rules "hardwired" into the software for determining who is or is not a convert (and the data probably dates back to at least then if not before).

But a couple of years ago, MLS switched to giving CMIS (the database at church headquarters) complete authority over who is or is not a convert. The rules are stored there and MLS has no influence or control or understanding of them. It simply reports that a member is a convert if the "is Convert" flag is turned on.

So I suspect the test data predates this flag and none of the members in the test data have it turned on. As for everyone else... I guess you could contact support about specific individuals.


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