MLS 3.7.4 vs LCR membership records move out dates

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MLS 3.7.4 vs LCR membership records move out dates

Postby Booshway » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:20 pm

So I came across this problem the other day with move out records. It seams that the dates when a member moves out does not match. MLS has one date and Leaders and Clerk Resources (LCR) has another. This is is not a huge deal for most people but I try to be very accurate when it comes to this things and the other day the Bishop and I needed to know when a members record left the ward and I could not give him a specific day. Any ideas what dates are accurate the one from MLS or from LCR?

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Re: MLS 3.7.4 vs LCR membership records move out dates

Postby russellhltn » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:59 pm

It probably depends on the definition of "move out". Is it the day you made the request, the day it's processed, or the date it's transferred to the other unit? I suspect MLS and LCR are looking at different parts of that cycle.

I do know that in the past, the "Move in" date in MLS was really the "move out" date of the prior ward. Normally it's not a significant difference - unless the record had spent some time in the "Address unknown" file.
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Re: MLS 3.7.4 vs LCR membership records move out dates

Postby jdlessley » Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:21 am

I have noticed discrepancies with the time and or date records have moved in after requesting records and receiving them through Leader and Clerk Resources. LCR records request and move outs are nearly instant. Immediately after requesting records and receiving them I check the membership record in LCR an note there will always be a time and even a date earlier than when the record was actually transferred. I have seen 6 hours to two days earlier discrepancies. I have not seen a date or time later than the actual move in date or time. I have not checked in MLS to see what it shows as compared to LCR. But since I know when the record was requested and when it was received I know that what is reported in LCR for membership records does not match when the records were actually transferred in.

I have never checked the move out date to see if it is when I sent the record out in either MLS or LCR.

This information may not help with the OP issue but it will give an idea that actions taken in LCR are not reported as occurring when the action happened. I can understand a later than date, but I have difficulty with the earlier than time or date. I do not use MLS for transfers taken at my end. It is more convenient and faster in LCR.
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Re: MLS 3.7.4 vs LCR membership records move out dates

Postby russellhltn » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:10 pm

With LCR, I wonder if it's doing time zone conversion properly? Perhaps it's reporting UTC time?
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Re: MLS 3.7.4 vs LCR membership records move out dates

Postby Biggles » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:43 pm

I've also seen this behaviour, when moving records in. From memory usually says something like record moved in ten hours ago, even though I did the move moments before.

We are at the moment at UTC+00

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Re: MLS 3.7.4 vs LCR membership records move out dates

Postby jonesrk » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:51 pm

Biggles wrote:I've also seen this behaviour, when moving records in. From memory usually says something like record moved in ten hours ago, even though I did the move moments before.

We are at the moment at UTC+00

I think that all CMIS stores is the date (no timestamp) so that may be why you are seeing something weird. It would be interesting to see if the time reported varied based on the time of day you submitted the change.
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Re: MLS 3.7.4 vs LCR membership records move out dates

Postby russellhltn » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:44 pm

jonesrk wrote:
Biggles wrote:From memory usually says something like record moved in ten hours ago, even though I did the move moments before.

We are at the moment at UTC+00

I think that all CMIS stores is the date (no timestamp)


So Biggles observation would be correct if he was working on this at 10AM (A date with no time will be interpreted as just past midnight of the day in question.)
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