Updating Ward Leadership Callings at the stake level

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Updating Ward Leadership Callings at the stake level

Postby drepouille » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:11 am

I am a ward clerk, but I wonder which ward callings the stake clerk can update in my ward. Can the stake clerk update my EQ presidency, HPG, or bishopric (including clerk) callings?

I looked at the LCR Access Table for Stake Clerk. "Stake Leadership" is greyed out, but "Ward Leadership" is bold and checked, implying that the stake clerk can update "Ward Leadership" callings. I don't know exactly which callings those are.

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A high councilor visits a ward, and sustains and sets apart an EQ counselor or a HPG assistant. Let's say the ward clerk is not aware of this change, for whatever reason. The high councilor "returns and reports" to the stake presidency. Is it the stake clerk's responsibility to record the change to that calling? Does he even have that ability?

When I was the stake clerk, I did not have that ability. I begged and teased the high council to ensure the ward clerk was informed of the change, so he could update the ward calling in MLS (at the time) or LCR (now). When the ward clerk was not informed of the change, I would then have to notify him via email, and wait for him to make the change.
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Re: Updating Ward Leadership Callings at the stake level

Postby Biggles » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:10 am

As far as I'm aware, the only Ward calling the Stake has the ability change, is the Bishop. The Ward Clerk can't do that.

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Re: Updating Ward Leadership Callings at the stake level

Postby russellhltn » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:19 am

drepouille wrote:I looked at the LCR Access Table for Stake Clerk. "Stake Leadership" is greyed out, but "Ward Leadership" is bold and checked, implying that the stake clerk can update "Ward Leadership" callings. I don't know exactly which callings those are.

I'm seeing the same thing. That doesn't sound right.
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Re: Updating Ward Leadership Callings at the stake level

Postby sbradshaw » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:39 pm

As a stake assistant clerk, the only ward-level calling I can change is the bishop. When I change a bishop, the counselors become released automatically, but I can't add new counselors or edit any other callings in the ward. I think it's just marked wrong on the access table.

Note that ward priesthood and auxiliary presidencies can now edit callings within their organization – for example, if a new elders quorum counselor is sustained and set apart, the elders quorum president can record it in Leader and Clerk Resources himself. Of course, the clerk, if he knows about the change, is ultimately responsible to make sure it's recorded.
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Re: Updating Ward Leadership Callings at the stake level

Postby eblood66 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:47 pm

sbradshaw wrote:I think it's just marked wrong on the access table.

I don't think it's wrong. I think it's just that Ward Leadership refers to just the bishop (and probably branch president). Similarly Stake Leadership probably refers to just the Stake President who I assume can't be changed by the stake (which is what the access table shows). Of course, I'm not sure why Stake Leadership is in the table at all since none of the callings listed in the table have that right.

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Re: Updating Ward Leadership Callings at the stake level

Postby russellhltn » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:17 pm

eblood66 wrote:
sbradshaw wrote:I think it's just marked wrong on the access table.

I don't think it's wrong. I think it's just that Ward Leadership refers to just the bishop (and probably branch president). Similarly Stake Leadership probably refers to just the Stake President who I assume can't be changed by the stake (which is what the access table shows).

If that's the case, then I think the tag needs to be changed to be clearer.


eblood66 wrote:Of course, I'm not sure why Stake Leadership is in the table at all since none of the callings listed in the table have that right.

Just for fun, check the ward leadership. For example, it appears that "Young Men's Presidency" has "Access allowed; not yet available" rights to "Stake Leadership".

I think it's safe to say that something is seriously messed up.
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Re: Updating Ward Leadership Callings at the stake level

Postby drepouille » Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:46 am

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

We have all seen how busy high councilors and members of the stake presidency drop in for EQ and HPG meetings just long enough to sustain and set apart a new counselor or assistant, and then run to their next assignment. In the rush, that change is not communicated to a clerk or bishopric member, who can update the calling in LCR. These changes are sometimes lost or forgotten, in some cases until the next unit conference or membership audit. Yes, it is helpful that the EQP and HPGL can now update their own presidency callings, so perhaps the clerk no longer needs to be told of the change.

What have you found to be the "best practice" to ensure all such changes are recorded promptly?
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