membership info for excommunicated members

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travisjensen55
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membership info for excommunicated members

Postby travisjensen55 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:24 am

We have a person who is attending our ward and in the process of trying to get membership back. He has asked if I can find his marriage date (day, year) as well as the date when his daughter was blessed. Since we don't have his records in our ward, is there any way for me to help him find this information?

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Re: membership info for excommunicated members

Postby eblood66 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:44 am

The bishop might be able to call GSC to get the marriage date but I don't know if they would give it out or not. I do find it very odd that he doesn't know his own marriage date. But marriage records in the US are generally public records so it may be easier (and possibly more appropriate) to use a public records company to find it (although that would cost a couple dollars). If you're outside the US that may not be an option.

Blessing information is not preserved on church records. It gets saved temporarily in MLS when the blessing is recorded in order to help print the certificate. But it never gets transmitted to CHQ and as soon as the child's record is moved it gets lost entirely.

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Re: membership info for excommunicated members

Postby travisjensen55 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:06 am

Turns out he is looking for this info because he is taking our ward's family history Sunday School class and apparently (I have no family history experience) the system asks for those pieces of information. Maybe I'll just tell him he'll have to search his own records/files or try Google searching his marriage date. Google isn't going to help with the blessing date.

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Re: membership info for excommunicated members

Postby russellhltn » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:16 pm

In family history, a blessing date is frequently used as a substitute for a birth date. (Sometimes there are no birth records, but the churches have recorded the blessing/baptism of the child.)
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Re: membership info for excommunicated members

Postby mevans » Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:11 pm

eblood66 wrote:Blessing information is not preserved on church records. It gets saved temporarily in MLS when the blessing is recorded in order to help print the certificate. But it never gets transmitted to CHQ and as soon as the child's record is moved it gets lost entirely.


A membership record is created for a child of record. It's a real membership record, but doesn't show any ordinances. I home teach someone whose child is in that situation. There can be a membership record, even without baptism.

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Re: membership info for excommunicated members

Postby eblood66 » Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:21 pm

mevans wrote:
eblood66 wrote:Blessing information is not preserved on church records. It gets saved temporarily in MLS when the blessing is recorded in order to help print the certificate. But it never gets transmitted to CHQ and as soon as the child's record is moved it gets lost entirely.


A membership record is created for a child of record. It's a real membership record, but doesn't show any ordinances. I home teach someone whose child is in that situation. There can be a membership record, even without baptism.

I never claimed otherwise. I was only talking about the record of the blessing, not the membership record. The OP wanted the blessing date which isn't preserved on the membership record.

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Re: membership info for excommunicated members

Postby mevans » Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:21 pm

eblood66 wrote:
mevans wrote:
eblood66 wrote:Blessing information is not preserved on church records. It gets saved temporarily in MLS when the blessing is recorded in order to help print the certificate. But it never gets transmitted to CHQ and as soon as the child's record is moved it gets lost entirely.


A membership record is created for a child of record. It's a real membership record, but doesn't show any ordinances. I home teach someone whose child is in that situation. There can be a membership record, even without baptism.

I never claimed otherwise. I was only talking about the record of the blessing, not the membership record. The OP wanted the blessing date which isn't preserved on the membership record.


Thanks for the clarification. I re-read your statement and agree with it. My brain was thinking you meant the church record wasn't created, but that's not what you said.


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